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Interview with ‘All Jacked Up And Full of Worms’ director Alex Phillips
All Jacked up and Full of Worms showed this year at Brooklyn Horror Film Fest under its “Head Trip” category. I genuinely can’t think of a better way to describe this movie. It was raunchy and disgusting, so definitely not for the faint of heart. BUT I’m always here for some good body horror, and All Jacked up and Full of Worms did not disappoint on that front.
One thing that I liked about All Jacked up and Full of Worms is that it often follows dream logic. Things don’t always seem to make logical sense, and the film moves from one sequence to another without fully explaining how we got there. I think this works well for a film in which worms are taken to the same effect as an ecstatic hallucinogen, or some other wild drug.
I was able to chat with writer/director, Alex Phillips, and special worm effects artist, Ben Gojer after the screening to get a peak behind the curtain.
Bash: Can you tell me about the meaning behind All Jacked Up and Full of Worms?
Alex: “It’s about being crazy and looking for love and meaning in a world where there’s a lot of different ways to replace that sense of love and meaning – drugs, religion, sex, or violence. And then also the terror that comes with confronting yourself and confronting the world around you.”
Bash: I feel like the dream logic fits well with the film’s subject matter. Can you tell me how you decided on utilizing it in the movie?
Alex: There’s an intellectual reason behind it, but also a very literal one. This is the way that I write, and the way that I want to tell stories. I don’t try to filter it through any top top-down structure until after I’ve conceived of the idea or written the script. The dream logic comes from wanting to convey raw emotions and feelings, and turn it into a narrative that still has a throughline and an upward trajectory and still has a resolution. I think it also mirrors the experience of living through certain traumas where experiences are condensed in time and space and there’s a rhyme to the way you experience the world.”
Bash: “There’s a lot of really great surrealist artists out there. Where do you draw inspiration from?”
Alex: “I really borrowed a lot conceptually from the Cronenberg adaptation of Naked Lunch. I found the text that I had written had a lot of rhyme in terms of content. And turning something that’s crazy into a plot structure is something he can do. In writing you can be more abstract, but in film you do need more of a beginning, middle, and end. So I was my own Burroughs and Cronenberg for better or for worse, to translate my own automatic writing and turn it into something that makes sense.”
Bash: The characters have their own monologues that get repeated throughout the film. I’m really interested in Benny and his approach to queerness. What was the purpose of his monologue?
Alex: “I wanted to approach that monologue and also that character from how a dumb mammal of a man would feel around, blindly confronting his desires and landing at an openness that is actually almost progressive, but also comically stunted. I see him as having broken down the walls of right and wrong by ramming his stupid head against them, and by reluctantly accepting himself he can therefore understand how other people might also have a similar interiority. It’s not in a way to validate any of his desires, but there’s a real rawness and openness to experience.
Bash: All Jacked Up and Full of Worms has some pretty sexually explicit moments. What’s your purpose for showing this on film?
Alex: “I want to be sex-positive and represent desires, good and bad, on film. For the challenging moments, we have literal distance from the bad stuff. It’s a performance, it’s fiction, and it’s on a screen. There should always be freedom to play with transgression in art. That’s why art exists, to explore the depths of human experience. If you don’t want to engage with the film you don’t have to. I’m confident in my relationships with the actors and also what they’ve consented to do. They were down to be naked on film, and were down for the sexually explicit moments. I wanted to show that in a way that is uncanny, and blatantly horny, and run it up against horror to discuss or at least dramatize our repressed approach to sex. Instead of coming up with a thesis statement about sexuality, I wanted to represent the anxieties and horrors associated with sex.
Bash: “I think that’s part of the merit of surrealism – learning through experience rather than being told.”
Bash: “Can you tell me a little bit about the character that repeatedly appears on the TV in the motel?”
Alex: “I wanted to create a world of this motel where someone is piping in fundamentalist Christianity, crossed with Mediterranean paganism, but it’s like worm Christianity: propaganda basically. The TV also operated as a formal device to move in and out of rooms and through people’s heads and dreams. That stuff is borrowed from my childhood. I’d watch a religious talk show after Saturday morning cartoons. But in the film, it was all meant to lend to a wider sense of the worm conspiracy, that these worm drugs could offer salvation and Godly truth.
Bash: I’m interested to hear about the special effects in the film. What were some of the challenges you had to overcome?
Ben: “Figuring out a way to have people vomit worms was tricky because a lot of times a vomit rig just has fluids and not also solids in it, so getting something that wouldn’t be clogged up once it had something flowing through it took experimenting. Also, doing that in the wintertime in Chicago is hard because a lot of liquids don’t flow the same way in near-freezing temperatures. Then once Covid happened, we got shut down in the middle of production, and we had to finish shooting the movie using Covid protocols which makes everything harder, especially when you have liquids involved that are kind of gross looking. It doesn’t make anyone feel comfortable.”
Bash: “Can you talk a little bit about the prosthetics at the end of the film?”
Ben: “That was a couple of different prosthetics. That also was tricky, and getting worms to flow through that was tricky. That didn’t even end up working totally right on set. It was a lot of trial and error.
Alex: “Both Ben and I wore masks for some shots. That helped solve some problems.”
Ben: “There’s some stuff we ended up shooting with us because we wanted to get as much good coverage as we could. It’s always tricky doing an interview about effects stuff because it’s like: do you want to be a magician who tells how you do your tricks, or do you want to let people enjoy it?”
Alex: “I always tell Ben to err on the side of: Biff’s face did transform, and it did explode with worms. It was a documentary.”
Bash: “Finally, what’s next for your team?”
Alex: “The next thing is called Anything that Moves. It’s an erotic thriller, or as I call it a “himbo giallo”. It’s about this guy who works as a bike delivery driver and is a sex worker on the side. All of his clients come from different walks of life, and it’s chill, almost magical at first. He can provide to them their deepest desires. But then the clients start to get brutally murdered. He’s got to run for his life, clear his name, and figure out who’s doing the murdering.
If you love surrealism and watching people’s lives get out of hand. This movie is a wild, funny, and chaotic ride. Buckle up!
All Jacked Up and Full of Worms will be available on Screambox starting November 8th and will have a limited run in theaters which can be found here.
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The Conjuring Movies, Ranked
The theme for this month here at Horror Press is “Based on a True Story,” and in my eyes, no franchise better encapsulates the core tenet of that corner of the horror genre than The Conjuring Universe. Let me be very clear: the tenet in question is “This is based on abject lies made by charlatans, but someone wrote a book about it, so it counts,” but nothing wields that approach with quite as much gusto as James Wan’s 2013 movie The Conjuring and the nine-film franchise it spawned. Eight-film franchise, if you don’t count The Curse of La Llorona. But Annabelle is in it, and the guy who directed it somehow conned his way into helming two of the three proper Conjuring movies that followed, meaning he has directed more of these things than James Wan himself.
The theme for this month here at Horror Press is “Based on a True Story,” and in my eyes, no franchise better encapsulates the core tenet of that corner of the horror genre than The Conjuring Universe. Let me be very clear: the tenet in question is “This is based on abject lies made by charlatans, but someone wrote a book about it, so it counts,” but nothing wields that approach with quite as much gusto as James Wan’s 2013 movie The Conjuring and the nine-film franchise it spawned. Eight-film franchise, if you don’t count The Curse of La Llorona. But Annabelle is in it, and the guy who directed it somehow conned his way into helming two of the three proper Conjuring movies that followed, meaning he has directed more of these things than James Wan himself, so I say it counts, dammit.
Anyway, did I mention we’re ranking these movies? Grab your crucifix and make sure those shadowy corners behind you are cleared of demonic nuns, and then we’ll be ready to rock.
The Entire Conjuring Franchise Ranked
#9 The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It (2021)
This is the first Conjuring without James Wan in the director’s chair, and you can feel it. The precarious balance of a love story about aging with a Catholic mysticism-inflected legal drama requires his deft touch, and it doesn’t get it, leaving this movie as something of an illegible mess.
#8 The Nun II (2023)
Speaking of illegible messes… Michael Chaves’ follow-up to The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It (Why did they hand him the keys to the entire franchise, spinoffs and all? Who knows. I’d love to read the tell-all.) is The Nun II. This flavorless slog is only saved from being at the bottom of the list by a deliciously unhinged moment in the finale (Spoiler alert: The real hero of the movie is transubstantiation).
#7 The Curse of La Llorona (2019)
The Curse of La Llorona is the first of its kind. A big-budget Hollywood movie had never been made about La Llorona before. And frankly, it still hasn’t, because this movie makes a hash of her legend. Since when is she like… repelled by the tree that was nearby when she drowned her kids or whatever? What could have been a righteous force of angry dissent against patriarchy and colonization is converted into another boring haunted house jack-in-the-box ghostie. Linda Cardellini is great at screaming, though, somebody get her some Throat Coat, stat.
#6 Annabelle (2014)
The soft spot I have for the supremely dopey Annabelle was only enough to get it placed at No. 6. It’s still just not a very good movie, y’all, and it wastes Alfre Woodard, which is high treason as far as I’m concerned. However, the broad field of references from which it is exuberantly pulling (the Manson Family, Rosemary’s Baby, Mario Bava’s Shock, the list goes on and on) keeps you on your toes as it spins its daffy tale of parenting and terror.
#5 The Nun (2018)
The Nun is absolutely choked with gloomy atmosphere, but it’s just a random assortment of fright gags tossed everywhere. And unfortunately, none of them match the raw, unnerving power of the titular entity’s debut appearance in The Conjuring 2.
#4 Annabelle: Creation (2017)
It could maybe cool it on how many different manifestations the demon has, and it’s a bit over-reliant on CGI. However, director David F. Sandberg has pulled off the impossible, dragging this trashy subfranchise kicking and screaming toward the gliding, eerie aesthetic of the salad days of the flagship Conjuring movies.
#3 Annabelle Comes Home (2019)
Annabelle: Creation seems to enjoy the best reputation of the subfranchise, probably because people hated Annabelle so much that it felt like a breath of fresh air. But Annabelle Comes Home is full to bursting with sleepover movie energy. It’s probably the least “scary” Conjuring movie, but the sheer funhouse glee with which it throws every possible creepy crawly and ghoulie ghosty your way is hard to deny.
#2 The Conjuring 2 (2016)
James Wan sure as hell knows how to repackage some of the hoariest tropes in horror cinema history and make them fresh and exhilarating by combining his ever-so-patient creeping dread with a handful of gnarly jolts. The screenplay of this one is kind of a shambles, and the movie is way too proud of its blunt-force foreshadowing. Still, it looks gorgeous, and any film with that creepy-ass scene where the little girl’s silhouette slowly morphs into the ghost of an old man in the background of one long, sustained shot simply can’t be all bad, or even mostly bad.
#1 The Conjuring (2013)
Remember what I said about James Wan and his tropes? There is absolutely nothing in The Conjuring that is new. It is The Amityville Horror with The Exorcist crudely grafted onto the back third of it. But by pouring every ounce of creative energy he has into some stellar scares and by hiring a cast that is more than capable of bringing the unusually well-shaded characters – yes, Ed and Lorraine Warren, but the Perron family as well – he is able to elevate what could have been pretty bland material in anybody else’s hands.
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A Horror Movie Streaming Guide for Those Looking for More Ed Gein in Their Life
Ed Gein was known for exhuming bodies to take parts as keepsakes. He used some of the pieces to fashion clothing, furniture, etc. As with most serial killers, Gein also had an unusual relationship with his parents, specifically his mother. So, obviously, there is a lot to mine here when creating unsettling characters. This explains why many writers return to this personality to give actors unsettling moments even in the most unassuming movies. Looking specifically at Con Air’s Garland Greene (played by Steve Buscemi). This is wild because Buscemi starred in Ed and His Dead Mother as a guy named Ed with a bizarre relationship with his dead mom. The irony of a nice guy like Buscemi getting two attempts at characters based on the same serial killer is not lost on me. However, I digress. I am here today with four horror movies we saw way too young to connect to Gein’s horrendous legacy. Once you know these villains were inspired by a real and disturbing person, it makes you look at them very differently.
Hollywood’s ongoing fascination with serial killers is one of the few things we can count on as a society. With America’s interest in these monsters resulting in high demand for true crime content, it is easy to see why the subgenre remains bankable. While we see countless films about these infamous murders, I find the fictional characters inspired by them more interesting. This is why when I discovered that Ed Gein was the blueprint for some of our favorite killers, it made them even more disturbing. Gein, also known as the Butcher of Plainfield or the Plainfield Ghoul, is in the DNA of many characters most of us grew up watching.
Ed Gein was known for exhuming bodies to take parts as keepsakes. He used some of the pieces to fashion clothing, furniture, etc. As with most serial killers, Gein also had an unusual relationship with his parents, specifically his mother. So, obviously, there is a lot to mine here when creating unsettling characters. This explains why many writers return to this personality to give actors unsettling moments even in the most unassuming movies. Looking specifically at Con Air’s Garland Greene (played by Steve Buscemi). This is wild because Buscemi starred in Ed and His Dead Mother as a guy named Ed with a bizarre relationship with his dead mom. The irony of a nice guy like Buscemi getting two attempts at characters based on the same serial killer is not lost on me. However, I digress. I am here today with four horror movies we saw way too young to connect to Gein’s horrendous legacy. Once you know these villains were inspired by a real and disturbing person, it makes you look at them very differently.
The Best Movies Directly Inspired By Ed Gein
Psycho
Where You Can Watch: Netflix
A secretary steals a bag of cash from her job and hits the road. However, she unfortunately checks into the Bates Motel, where Norman Bates and his mysterious mother may pose a threat. Finding out Anthony Perkins’ character is based on Ed Gein changed my brain chemistry. This might be why Gein is one of the serial killers I actually did a little bit of research on. I figured the novel by Robert Bloch that the movie is based on was just super creative until I was a teen who realized Norma and Norman were based on Gein and his belief that he could rebuild his mother from various body parts he stole. He also planned to wear his “mom” suit in the moonlight.
Deranged
Where You Can Watch: Tubi
A rural farmer turns to grave robbing and murder after the death of his mother, whose corpse he keeps as a companion. The plot is loosely based on the crimes of Ed Gein and even exclaims it is inspired by true events and has only changed the names and locations. This marries parts of Psycho and The Texas Chain Saw Massacre with almost Coen brother humor. The late Roberts Blossom plays Ezra Cobb, our killer. He skins victims to make masks and also pulls other bodies to hang out with his dead mother. Jeff Gillen and Alan Ormsby directed this 1974 nod at Gein and does not get the same respect as the other films on the list.
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974)
Where You Can Watch: Peacock, Plex, Pluto TV, Prime Video, The Roku Channel, and Tubi
Five friends road tripping through rural Texas stumble across a seemingly deserted house holding a huge secret. While Leatherface’s chainsaw and hometown are changes to the story, his love of wearing other people’s faces is very similar to Gein’s. Ed Gein is not the only serial killer this movie is under the influence of, but he is the one that stands out the most. After all, he also keeps his mother’s corpse on hand, so it is hard not to think of Ed. While this beloved title does take its fair share of liberties with the source material, it is clear that Tobe Hooper and Kim Henkel’s creation has many similarities to Gein. Which might explain why it still gets under our skin today.
The Silence of the Lambs
Where You Can Watch: Pluto TV, The Roku Channel, and Tubi
A young F.B.I. cadet works with an incarcerated cannibal to catch another serial killer who skins his victims. A lot can be said about the character of Buffalo Bill (played by Ted Levine). However, one thing we should all be able to agree on is that he is another character wearing the skin and hair of his victims. As a kid, most of us were not aware a real person inspired the serial killer they were hunting. As an adult armed with that knowledge, the film is even more chilling. The Silence of the Lambs is also one of the few horror movies to win statues at The Academy Awards.
While plenty of movies nod at Ed Gein’s unusual crimes, these four titles are some of the most interesting to do so. If you have already seen these, there is no shortage of media dedicated to this midwestern body snatcher. However, many of those titles are more direct in their approaches. That is not my cup of tea, but perhaps it is perfect for people who are fans of true crime.
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