Interviews
Vampire Cult Chronicles: Interviewing the Vampire
A charismatic leader who’s believed to possess otherworldly abilities. Forced views about the world and society, fostering an “us vs them” mentality. Exerting control over relationships, finances, and other personal matters. Utilizing various tactics to break down a person’s defenses. Isolation and humiliation. A purist expectation of an ideological belief. These are some of the qualities that can help one to identify a cult. These are the qualities found in a vampire cult.
In other news, if you didn’t know, vampires are all around us. Probably not in the actual undead Nosferatu sense (although a girl is always dreaming) – but in the form of a subculture with varying beliefs and practices.
The “vampire underground,” if I may, is filled with well-meaning people searching for acceptance and a community that aligns with their spirituality, forming many groups within the vampire subculture. “Tom” was a part of one of those groups – but he had to exit after finally coming to grips with its toxic and cult-like nature.
Find out about “Tom’s” experience with the vampire cult in this special interview.
One Person’s Experience Escaping a Vampire Cult
We’ve got a lot to cover, so we’ll start with the basics. How did you come across this group in the first place?
So, I must have been in high school. I was a strange child who discovered the internet and right away got attached to these various different subcultures. At some point, I came across [a book]. I know this is going to sound crazy, but I had this dream, and it involved the author.
Very specific things happened in this dream, so I went on a whim and emailed the author and told them, ‘Hey, I had a dream about you. In my dream, XYZ happened,’ and the person confirmed these things. Basically, the response was, ‘You’re a person of interest. Here are some people that you should talk to.’ From then on, I was put in contact with these people.
Now, from what I understand, the general belief is that vampires aren’t turned like we see in the movies. They have to be born vampires, but can be Awakened to what they are. So, are you a vampire?
I don’t like using the V word in general. I think when it comes to the English language, it’s probably the best-suited word to describe a person who requires outside sources of energy to maintain physical-mental-emotional equilibrium. I think that there are many groups out there that have different definitions of what a vampire is.
This is probably a good time to point out that we’re not talking about the traditional blood-sucking or sanguine vampire sort here. This group involves psychic or energy-based vampirism, correct?
Yeah. But from the perspective of this group, the source of vampirism is wanting to have greater control of energy manipulation. To do that, you underwent an energetic alteration of your spiritual body. This took place many, many years ago in past lives, and that change carries forward. That alteration to your spiritual body is what gives you that need to replenish your own energy much sooner than other people.
That’s really interesting. Now, this isn’t the only vampire group around. Do you think they all are cults?
No, I don’t think they’re all cults. I think because of the group’s use of spiritual hierarchy, in particular; there is a predisposed level of toxicity. I guess because there is a pecking order that naturally falls into place within the group.
How did that hierarchy operate?
So, within the group, there are three subgroups. They all operate and work with energy in unique ways. If you go by the lore of the group, [the leader’s subgroup TAKERS] requires the most energy, and [my subgroup GIVERS] provides energy.
For the longest time, I mean, I was a part of the group for about 15 years, [my group was] treated like dirt; not treated very well by the other levels of the hierarchy. Oftentimes they were just treating [my group] as a necessity, basically like a fount of energy to be used.
Almost like a food source?
For the most part, yes. And [the third group the MILITANTS], which are very aggressive types, believe a lot of their past lives revolve around being physical warriors. To them, [my subgroup is] too emotional or delicate, useless, and they didn’t really feel the need to have them around. And that kind of behavior carried over into the then-present time in the group.
Did you ever feel a sense of community there?
At first? Yes. This group was based out of the Midwest. I’m from New Jersey. So as a very weird kid – in high school – it felt nice to find other weird people. It felt nice to find a group that I resonate with. But even from within the group, I always felt ostracized mostly because [of my role in the] group and even more so because I was a long distance member. I wasn’t there in person to do all the group rituals or the group meetings; a lot of the back and forth took place over emails for many years. They would do an event every so often in person at a convention they would hold, and even then, it was very, very toxic.
What was your first red flag?
In hindsight, the first red flag was probably my First Degree ritual in the group.
For First Degree, the group meets in a very specific ritual chamber. They’re all convening in there, and you are ushered in separately and placed in the center of a circle of members who tear you apart.
Every interaction you’ve had with them, they will use it against you – and they will do this for hours until you are just a miserable pile.
I now know that all the interactions you had with them as a group were them figuring out ways to get under your skin.
You could tell that [MILITANTS] would sit around and be like, ‘I wanna make this person cry. This is gonna be really good to use against them.’ How you react to them is whether you pass or fail that First Degree. And if you fail, you are not a member of the group.
I remember there was a First Degree where they had brought out a bucket of ice for this person to stand in. There was another girl that I remember being in a separate room and they were screaming, calling her fat, fat-shaming her. There was a former member, who was a POC who’s first degree was deemed so heinous it’s still never discussed. (It should be noted that in its nearly 30 years of existence, there have only been 4 POC to ever join the group.)
For another member’s First Degree, the leader, who we shall refer to as The Emperor, was nervous about this member failing and going public about what happened and asked, ‘Do you think I should record this?’ And everyone said no, but The Emperor did it anyway without anyone’s consent. This went against the ‘rules’ of the group, but that somehow didn’t apply to The Emperor.
Intimate things are brought up during a First Degree. If you had an abortion, if you have issues with your spouse, if you have trouble with your bills, your money, drugs, a parking ticket. Are you scared of spiders? Are you scared of heights? Are you ashamed of your body? Nothing is off the table. They will do whatever they can to break you down in that setting. And it’s scary in a ritual circle. It’s dark, it’s smoky, you’re surrounded by people that you kind of don’t know that well yet because it’s your First Degree – you’re new. and they’re there to just make you cry and feel like shit. You, quote-unquote, shared this experience, you cried together, you exposed yourself, and yet somehow afterward, you feel great.
After this you’re basically trauma bonded to them. And from that point on, anything you share with them can be used against you to keep you there.
Unfortunately, tactics like that are used in many cult-like groups. One indicator of a cult is fostering an “us-versus-them” mentality, pushing members to feel further isolated from society. Is that something you experienced?
Absolutely. And it was only made more pronounced around 2018 when there was an internal schism and a specific member was considered an enemy. The Emperor was telling people, ‘Your name will not be used. Can you tell me something about this person?’
It was all aggregated in writing and then released to the public. I personally was approached to give my two cents about this person, and at first, I wasn’t even told that I was gonna be a part of it. They just asked me in passing. They didn’t ask my permission; they didn’t ask if they could use my name – and they published me in the document and included my name in it. I had no idea what it was even for, but the person was basically ostracized from all the communities they were a part of as a result.
When that happened, a large number of people left the group. Mind you, some of them were elders, which were like founding members. When these people left, they were considered enemies. And if you were their friend, you basically couldn’t function in the house.
Were there any other ideas that you were supposed to have as a group member, even if it had nothing to do with the group?
Yeah, you were expected to be extremely, progressively liberal. And I’m pretty liberal, period. Incredibly liberal. This was – Um this is not normal. The membership and the prospective new members were basically asked, “Are you a Republican?” If you said yes, you had a problem on your hands.
A part of that, I can understand. It’s a group with very progressive views on identity as it pertains to sexuality and gender, and they want to feel safe in their group. So the R word became a bad word. You would never want to be labeled as the R word, or a bigot. They’re the bad guys, and you definitely didn’t want to be accused of being one.
So, there’s an expected political ideology?
Absolutely. But that’s also what drew me in. I wanted to be in a group of people that accepts me for who I am. I didn’t want to feel uncomfortable. But at a certain point, you start to realize how cutting that could actually be, because if you don’t fit in with exactly what The Emperor wants, you’re bad. It was only a matter of time before you too, became the enemy.
What made you open to talking about this now?
So after I left, I made it a point to say that I wanted to go of my own free will. I would hold my oaths that I made in my First Degree and in my Second Degree, but I wanted to leave with grace and I didn’t want any drama. And shortly after I left, a few other members left as well.
And this leader has basically taken to a smear campaign publicly on Twitter, publicly on their Discord channels, and is making us out to be the bad guy. We’ve done our best to just stay quiet and not say anything. But at this point, I think it’s time for someone to say something.
A part of me wanted to make this anonymous. But I feel like if I were to hide under anonymity; The Emperor would go after some of the other people and assume that it’s them.
Well, I appreciate you opening up about this and I’m sure they do too. The controlling nature of groups like these can make it more difficult to speak out.
I think, at first, it was a well-meaning cult. It was a group of friends that had a shared belief system that was harmless. But I think as the group leader withdrew more and more, they began to see the members of the group as forms of entertainment and would manipulate them – to do crazy things, to be toxic, to tear each other down.
We would regularly write up reports on each other under the guise of ‘assisting’ someone in doing what they called ‘shadow work’. Shadow work is largely considered a personal practice of self-exploration where you confront the more difficult elements of your personality in the pursuit of self-development. In this group, shadow work was often pressured to be ‘public’ and weaponized within the group, which twisted the whole purpose of what shadow work was meant to do. Going back to what I said earlier, all of our engagements were there to get to know each other and use it against each other. So, we would do anonymous, little reports, expose the ‘crazy bad’ things that these people were doing even when they were just like innocuous things – and these people would get punished, they would be embarrassed, they would be exposed. It’s shameful, but for many years, that’s what was going on.
It seems like group humiliation was pretty commonplace.
Absolutely. I mean, one of the members had their marriage, like, fucking blown up. Personal things that had nothing to do with anything were brought up.
Plus, the group leader’s significant other is a millionaire and would loan money out to people and hold it against them. And let me tell you, the only member actually expected to pay interest on this loan was a person of color. No one else did. Since the time of publishing, it has been confirmed that the loan was ultimately forgiven.
Did you ever invest in the group yourself?
I’ve invested in the group, my time, my energy, my attention, hundreds of hours, hundreds, like at one point we rewrote the rule book literally in a weekend and that was like 100 pages, 100 pages in a weekend. Before my First Degree I translated the entire website into Spanish, atleast one hundred articles that were never used. I was told it’s a shame they weren’t in French. OK. But I also purchased all of The Emperor’s books. I was a Patreon for them. I supported all of their endeavors. I helped make their incense. And when I say make incense, you don’t know how much work goes into making incense. It’s hours of work.
There was a weekend where we got together, The Emperor did not show up, but they made sure to send us a batch of incense for us to fucking mash because you have to mash it for hours. And so we spent the weekend mashing the incense for The Emperor so that they could sell it on their website for their personal gain. I mean, there’s tons of situations. These are just the first things that are slowly popping back into my head.
I can only imagine. I mean, you’ve got 15 years’ worth of stories. Was the group making any money?
Every year, the members put on this convention, and it was a labor of love. People would pay to attend this convention, and little by little over the years, because the group has been around for a while, the group amassed a sizable war chest of money.
We’re not talking about little 10-person events. We’re talking about 100 plus people coming to pay $60 a pop or more, you know, flying in from other states. We even had people flying from other countries coming to attend this event. This was a proper event. We never saw any of that money.
Towards the end, everything was just ‘make money’. We were running the social media and the convention. We were making audio for them and video components for the group. It was hours and hours of work, and no one got paid for it.
They were even throwing around this idea that, you know, the groups’ money, which is a nonprofit, should be rolled into The Emperor’s money. Especially since The Emperor felt as though he was owed this as payback for members who had long since left that had caused him upset.
Did anyone try to address how the money was being handled?
A couple years ago, we started bringing up the money issues in the house and how things were being raised and used. We were told we were being bigots.
Oh. Was the money being donated or…?
It was not. It was only after members pressured The Emperor and their spouse to donate to Black Lives Matter after what happened to George Floyd, that they parted with a small donation. Any instances after that were met with excuses and a firm ‘no’. The moment we questioned how the funds were being used, we were accused of being bigoted because we were accusing the Jewish person of misusing money. No one even knew this person was Jewish.
I know this is gonna come off certain ways. But this is literally how it was presented. The moment we questioned how the money was being managed, The Emperor became unsettled as if we were personally attacking their partner, who exclusively managed the funds. They accused us of being bigoted for daring to question.
And I’m just like, how do you, how do you even argue with that? Now I feel like an asshole; I guess I’m gonna shut up because I don’t wanna be labeled a bigot. So that is how it was shut down. Meanwhile, they’re going willy nilly on money.
Do you have any advice for people within communities that could run into these cult-like dynamics?
I think this is good advice for anyone in a subculture. You view each other as family, and you don’t really stop to think that these people who had your best interest in mind for so long could turn on you. As marginalized groups, we get to choose our family.
In a lot of ways finding this group, these were my chosen family. and in a way, yes, the spirituality blended with that. But you trust these people, you don’t expect it. And it’s very hard to see when things are happening.
It’s very hard to see that this small community of friends with shared beliefs could turn so toxic or sour. In hindsight, I wish I saw these things. It’s hard to notice, when I watch these crazy cult shows, I hear people, and they’re like, how could you ever get stuck in a cult? And I’m just like, it’s easier than you think because you don’t expect it when it’s happening, it’s so slow, it’s so insidious, and suddenly, CULT.
Especially when things are done to further isolate you.
Absolutely. And you know, the pandemic accelerated all that because we were all locked up at home, and these communities are based on Discord. So you spend the day typing and texting and Zoom calls, and these are your friends. Then you realize. you’re not their friend; you’re their entertainment. Especially when it became ‘who are we tearing down’ flavor of the week..
Do you have any words for the current group members?
You know what really hurts me the most is that as we were leaving, The Emperor said a lot of really nasty things. They saw how we left; we said nothing negative. We left with grace. And these people that we considered friends, turned their nose up, gave this person a free pass, and didn’t stick up for us. And to this day, they allow this person to shit-talk us. That is the one thing that drives me the most crazy is we were friends. How could these people allow this person to just continue on this tantrum months later? To continue dragging our name in the mud, and not at least say, ‘Hey, you’re wrong because we’ve experienced this for ourselves, and what you’re saying isn’t true’.
To the people who stayed behind, I’ll say this: It’s only a matter of time before you are made out to be the bad guy. No matter how good you are, or how obedient, one day you’ll be in our shoes. Once your services are no longer needed, or when you disagree, the teeth will come for you. Where we are today, you will be tomorrow. Look at the history.
Unfortunately, it seems like dissent isn’t exactly smiled at in the group. And, you know, it could be that they fear retribution themselves.
I mean, I fear retribution at this point. I really do because I don’t want to be buried in any litigation, but I wouldn’t be surprised by it. These privileged people, that is their first reaction, to lawyer up, cease and desist, throw a tantrum.
But I’m not saying anything that’s not true, and I’m also not naming any names. It’s scary, sticking your neck out there, especially when you know this person—let me tell you—this person believes they can actually stop someone’s heart. I don’t believe it, but it’s something that they’ve boasted about.
It’s hard to speak out against a leader who you think can stop your heart with their thoughts.
Yes. And, going back to originally how I even encountered this group, the idea that this person can enter your dreams has basically fostered this environment of this belief that they are omnipresent. They can enter your dreams; they can stop your heart. There’s an underlying feeling of ‘You know, if you question my authority, hey, maybe you’re gonna get into a terrible car accident and drop dead.’ The power dynamic is there, even if they won’t admit it. But I don’t believe that anymore, for many years however, I did. I refuse to give that person power anymore. Maybe that’s why the other members stayed behind, because they too are scared. I don’t know.
I think that’s a difficulty a lot of people have when trying to cut ties with toxic groups like these. You’ve been made to feel that if you’re not with us, you’re going down. Is there anything specific you would like to say to The Emperor if they should happen to be reading this?
I don’t know if me and The Emperor were ever great friends. I came into the group very young, and I looked up to The Emperor and one other Elder who had left, almost as parental figures. You know, I was raised in a very weird way, I didn’t really have a parental figure in my life. And so being dropped into this group straight out of high school, I kind of latched on to these people and I tried to acclimate to the dynamics in the group. I learned to walk on eggshells around them, and yet I really grew fond of these people.
I think that a bunch of the other people who left with me were much closer to this person, and it probably hurt them even more when they left. I may have been kind of insignificant, but having my identity be a part of this group for so many years and all of a sudden be free of it was strange but also very liberating.
At the end of the day, if I had to tell The Emperor one specific thing, it would be:
I’ve seen this happen to you time and time again, and for someone who emphasizes that everyone should ‘do the work, and go to therapy’ I’m stunned that you would even question why this keeps happening to you. For someone who claims to be so brilliant, it’s incredible how truly out of touch you actually are with your friend groups, and those who you are oathed to.
For now, in your circles, we are the bad guys, but only until history repeats itself again, because the problem is not us, it’s you.
Many people looked up to you, I looked up to you, but the sad truth is, never meet your heroes, because they just might turn out to be a bootleg LRH.
Well, I really respect your bravery to talk about all of this again. I know it can’t be easy, especially when there’s the fear of retribution. But I think that it’s important. Speaking about your experience might inspire others to find their own way out of toxic situations.
I hope so. And I hope if the other members do read this, I wish them the best. but also, it’s time for them to Awaken themselves and not rely on others to do it for them.
Interviews
[INTERVIEW] Inside the Glitter-Streaked World of ‘The Vampire Lestat’ with Production Designer Andres Cubillan
Lestat, Lestat, Lestat. That’s been the name on my lips ever since the first teasers for AMC’s The Vampire Lestat dropped last year. This new iteration of the show formerly known as Interview with the Vampire centers on the eponymous Brat Prince himself, Lestat de Lioncart (Sam Reid), as he embarks on a cross-country tour of contemporary America with his self-titled band, his antics immortalized on film by snarky baby bloodsucker Daniel Molloy (Eric Bogosian), the ghosts of his past hot on his heels.
But if you’re reading this, you already know all that. You’re here for the juicy details, and who better to dish them than the man who crafts Lestat’s most intimate spaces, production designer Andres Cubillan? A newcomer to the world that Anne Rice created and showrunner Rolin Jones breathed new life into, Cubillan helped ensure that The Vampire Lestat feels like an entirely different beast to the seasons that came before it, without losing sight of the series’ immortal soul—or Lestat’s divine bitchiness.
Around the midway point of the season, I caught up with Cubillan to discuss the big questions in life, like “doesn’t that shower make the bus damp?” and “how do you cuddle in a coffin made for one?” Here’s what he had to say about designing for the wolf killer extraordinaire’s most chaotic and iconic era yet.
The Vampire Lestat Turns up the Dial on the World We’ve Seen So Far (And Yes, It Goes to Eleven)
Samantha McLaren: The shift to Lestat’s perspective this season really turns expectations on their head. As production designer, how much freedom did you have to overhaul the look and feel of the show—and were you nervous at all about changing things that fans had come to expect?
Andres Cubillan: Yes, absolutely. When I was meeting for it, Rolin said from the get-go that he wanted this to look like a completely different show. He said “this is basically like we are rebooting our own show,” so he knew it had to be a total tonal shift, a total visual shift.
For me, my nerves came from the high quality of the work before. I’m a good friend of Mara LePere-Schloop [production designer on the first two seasons]. I trained under her, I admire her immensely, so it was more about how to do the beautiful work justice. And I’ve said this before, but I wanted to be able to crank up the dial on what Lestat would be now, present day—his point of view and his emotional state. I took liberties where liberties were given, and I just knew that it needed to be incredibly well researched, and there needed to be so much thought behind everything—not just because our writers are so passionate about the original literature, the scripture, but also the fans. Our fans know every word that Anne Rice has written front and back. We couldn’t just be flippant about any decision. We needed to do something spectacular for her, and for the character.
SM: One thing I love about vampire media is the inherent tension between the allure and glamour of vampirism, and the decay and death that’s an inherent part of it. Is that tension something that you wanted to play with this season?
AC: I try to actually go away from the traditional vampire tropes. In early discussions with Rolin, we said let’s be very particular as to where we use red—where black is even used… We wanted Lestat to feel unique in the vampire genre, as opposed to cliché in any way.
In terms of the allure, he’s so insanely alluring in and of himself that it’s going to come naturally, so for me, it was a matter of trying to fill in the blanks in the script—what can I say in the design that’s going to give context to him and his actions in that particular moment? It sort of naturally becomes alluring and sexy and dramatic, but I don’t think it was a conscious thing.
Lestat’s Tour Bus Showcases the Personalities of Its Occupants—And the Collaboration Between the Crew
SM: It comes through in interesting ways, like his tour bus. You have the dichotomy of that glamorous, sleek upper deck and the dingy, disgusting lower deck. When you were designing the bus, how much did you research real tour buses, and how much of it came from lurid imaginings?
AC: A lot of research. There was something so easy in grounding a rock star like Lestat in more of a retro vibe—Bowie, Jagger, Iggy Pop—but I wanted to try to blend it in with more of a contemporary musician. So, I looked a lot at contemporary tour buses, but they’re not very exciting. It’s a lot of formica and cramped spaces, and it didn’t feel personalized enough.
Then it became more of a departure after doing that research, to go back to these artists from the 70s, 80s, and 90s that actually did personalize their buses that way. Led Zeppelin, for example, they had a 747—I think it was called The Starship—it had a completely decked-out lounge with a piano and a fireplace and shag carpeting. Whether they knew it at the time or not, it felt iconic. It was one of those places that everyone wanted to go and be with them. So, how to translate that to Lestat? I wanted the dichotomy, as you said, of this flippant reaction to not caring how the rest of the band or everyone else was faring down below: he was going to make his space the inviting, seductive lounge that he wanted it to be. Rolin kept using the word “bespoke,” and I think we wanted it to appear like nothing we had seen before.
The downstairs became so fun because we could just throw anything out there and it would feel in place—formica walls and leopard-print rugs. I had seen this one picture of Taylor Swift’s tour bus. It was a regular tour bus, except she brought in her own couch; she liked the comfort of that couch. So we brought in this custom-upholstered, crushed metallic velour couch, and then it broke everyone’s heart when we aged it down with cigarette burns and miscellaneous stains, but it needed to feel crunchy. It was fitting, but it needed to feel appropriate.
And the evolution of that set—how to individualize each of the spaces for each of the band members without actually saying “this is my space.” We tried to do, in our heads, backstory rituals for the characters. I liked the idea of Salamander taking his gum out of his mouth as soon as he got in the bus and just sticking it on the wall, or sticking it on the ceiling, so that became the Fisherman’s Wharf section, just wrapped in chewed gum. And the fact that TC would hang a garland of socks across her bunk bed. There were a series of little customizations to each of them to give a little more of their personality within a greater space.
And then Lestat’s upstairs space—I really struggled with that one. The downstairs? Easy. Upstairs? So difficult, because the combination of glam, luxury, rock and roll, but also classic and elegant—there were all of these clashing styles that needed to come together in that space. We kept changing themes back and forth, and I worked a lot with Lex Wood, our costume designer, because every time I would pick an upholstery fabric and I’d be like “I have it, this is it! It’s so unusual—it’s phenomenally Lestat.” And then she would bring out his costume and be like “he’s going to disappear into the sofa—that’s exactly what he’s wearing in this scene.” Okay, back to the drawing board! Here we go again.
But I think, ultimately, it made it better to go through all of those drafts and those versions, having input from all of these people… I had this idea for a shower that would open and it would be Botticelli’s [Venus] painting but Lestat is the one on the shell, so it was like “check me out, I’m phenomenal and amazing.” And as things started breaking down in terms of space, one of my concept artists said, “What if the chandelier is a shower?” I was like, oh my god, that’s brilliant—that’s so unusual. Having the collaboration from all these different people to come in and bring their ideas made it more special.
Lestat Is Not Afraid of Standing Out—And That Iconic Shower Creates New Avenues for Exhibitionism
SM: Love that shower. It feels almost ethereal—like, it shouldn’t exist in the middle of this bus, on the top deck no less, but it works because everything around Lestat feels a little bit magical. He’s an ethereal being moving through this space.
AC: There were two things that I loved about that. One was, we made the windows on either side of the shower taller. Rolin and I had this idea that we were never able to actually shoot: we wanted this shot of the bus next to a minivan at a stoplight, and just this family gawking up at Lestat, buck naked, showering, because he doesn’t care—it’s a “feast your eyes” sort of thing.
And then, as I’ve been posting online and adding photos of the set so that the fans can see a little bit more, there was someone who—not in a critical way—said “but the shower next to the upholstery, is that going to get mildewy?” Which is brilliant, but I don’t think Lestat would care. He’d just say, “Reupholster them. Change them out.”
I don’t think you’re able to see it, but before the blood shower comes down, from the start, the banquettes are blood-stained along the bottom… It’s just giving a little hint of what’s to come, of what the potential of the space was.
SM: You mentioned working with Lex Wood and the collaboration there. I’m curious, how much did you want the costumes and the design to work harmoniously together, or did you want any clash there because Lestat is such a chaotic and loud character?
AC: I always say that with production design, if you’re noticing it, I’m not doing it well. I think it should feel very natural, and it should never take away from the character or the story. With something like this, it’s context and it should be flashy to a degree, but from the start, the rule that Rolin, Hannah [Moscovitch, executive producer/writer], Lex, and I came to was always make Lestat pop from everything.
Lex and I did have conversations on the side about moments where we thought his character wouldn’t necessarily want to stand out, or wouldn’t be ready to stand out—if there was any hesitation on his part. We were able to pick and choose those moments. I’ve never had such a collaborative experience with a costume designer before. Lex knew Lestat and knew Sam in a way that I didn’t, so for her to bring in her reasoning as to why she was bringing in those colors or those patterns—sometimes it altered the design, because I was like well, this is the right thing to do; he really should stand out, or he really should blend in.
But the tension was always, always keep your eye on Lestat. Any time he walks into a room, the eye should always go to him. That was the bible rule we all needed to follow.
Lestat’s Apartment in Montreal Balances Culture and Comfort (With a Touch of Louis)
SM: I want to talk a little about Lestat’s home in Montreal that we see in the first episode. After two seasons of seeing him in the past, it’s almost jarring to see him in this cozy, modern space wearing a comfy sweater. But the closer you look, the more you realize it’s him, just contemporized. What was your starting point for that space—what were the details you knew you needed for it to feel Lestat, and were there some surprising little twists you wanted to pull in for this modern version of him?
AC: I started with Mara’s work in season one. The space that she had designed for him was so lush and detailed; the color was incredibly rich. The conversation that I had with Rolin when I was pitching his space was that it always felt like, in the past, he is hiding his true self; he is assimilating into the time, into the culture, into the style and fashions. Now that he doesn’t have that hang-up anymore—even less after he becomes a musician, but even when we see him before the book comes out—he is finally able to be himself in a way that isn’t hiding away from the public eye. To me, then, Lestat is someone who lives incredibly boldly. I didn’t want to shy away from very bold and obnoxious choices. So I took Mara’s work and I just pumped up the volume and threw some nuclear waste on it, just to see what would happen, what would that reaction be?
I started with the music room. That was basically the one place that I really wanted to use red, and I made the room completely monochromatic. The walls and the ceiling are gloss red; the carpet is an ochre red. Even the drapes are red with zebras on it. I wanted it to feel warm and like a space of creation, so when my decorator, Summer Gaal, and I started going around what his house would be, we started with the music room. We thought that would be the beginning of all his ideas and creation. We knew it needed to be something that a very cultured person would have. He’s been around for a very long time—not that old vampires are automatically cultured and elegant, but more that he does come from an aristocratic background. He has lived a life of wealth and fame for 200+ years. So, I wanted it to be able to say, “I don’t need to own the most expensive painting. I want a painting that I react to.” And what are the variety of items that he’s reacting to across the centuries that he has lived and across all the different cultures and places that he has known?
My decorator found this gorgeous, kind of collapsing oversized purple couch, and that didn’t fit at all. It wasn’t elegant. It wasn’t anything special. (It actually was—my decorator told me afterward that it’s apparently some very famous sofa that I had no idea about!) But it felt like a place where he could crawl up with his boots on and just strum his guitar to just give him the cocoon, that sort of comfort that he’s always, I think, been looking for.
And from there, the living room: what is that contrast, what is the place of seduction? Very early on in one of the scripts, Lestat was in a book club and they were reading the book with select characters, and I thought, how ridiculous is this that this character is having a book club to complain about his ex-boyfriend’s book? So what does that space look like? It’s the contrast to the music room: it just needs to be hard and soft, warm and cold, little nods to the theater life with the pulled drapery with the view to the street.
Obviously the painting… The Lovers [René Magritte, 1928] with the veiled, covered faces. That was something that one of my graphic designers brought to me and she said “you know, I think we can get this painting,” and all of a sudden, it just completely clicked. It’s the veil; it’s the fact that we don’t know who that person is. It just made sense to have that particular painting in place. And we found this one Canadian artist who did a painting that is a bit multimedia, and he’s basically pulling his chest apart… Everything started having all this symbolism to it, where it’s him bearing his soul; it’s the veil; it’s the sexual coffee table that he can put his feet on. All of these things started coming together, and honestly, it was not easy. I was freaking out about colors for the longest time.
Also, in my career, I’ve been very fortunate to have multicultural characters in my stories, in my sets. And this couldn’t be a space that was only going to be for Lestat. I think he would have made it, to a degree, for Louis [Jacob Anderson] as well. So, how does Louis’ persona fit in here? Is this a space that would welcome him? What does his skin tone look like against these colors? All of those little things need to be kept in mind to make the place complete.
Lestat’s Complicated History Is Woven Into Every Set That Cubillan and His Team Crafted This Season
SM: I know there were a few details this season that you really fought for. You’ve mentioned online that for Lestat’s childhood bedroom, you were adamant about needing the (more expensive) tiled flooring to represent how his family looks down on him like a servant. Were there other elements like that that maybe didn’t make sense to people when you first described them, but you knew they were Lestat?
AC: Yes and no. Rolin gives us an incredible amount of trust, and from the start, he has said “we hire the people that we know are going to tell the story the way that we want.” Some of the details I needed to press for because they felt so incredibly appropriate; others, I got no pushback on. Even when things were getting hectic and the budgets were coming in, Rolin kept saying “Just keep going. You’re designing for Lestat. You’re designing for this character. Keep doing you.” That was incredibly comforting—not that I’m doubting my choices, but more about being the newcomer to this family of people that have lived and breathed these characters for so long. I wanted to do it justice. I wanted to be able to bring a part of myself and what I envision for this character.
In that room [the childhood bedroom], for example, I had a perfect color story for the rafters that we never see. It was all these same dusty colors that I had picked for the chateau; they were the same colors for his modern world. Some of these things you’re going to see, others you’re not. I don’t think that the audience is necessarily going to make that connection, but for me, I felt it was important to have it so I could justify in my head the evolution of the character.
In his room, I’ve mentioned that it’s the period version of the quintessential little boy’s room, but how does that clash with pale pink painted ceilings? It should never look easy. It should never look straightforward. There needed to be a push and pull between two things constantly.
In the Paris apartment, which you get a glimpse of in episode three, we were trying to think of what kind of a place do Lestat and Nicki [Joseph Potter] share in this blissful beginning of their relationship, and how does that space then evolve when Lestat becomes a vampire and has this access to wealth? We wanted it to feel incredibly romantic… Our backstory was that they are squatting in a former aristocrat’s house. They’re in one of these gorgeous apartments in Paris; the owners have been taken to the guillotine, and now this gorgeous architecture exists for two lovers to share in front of the fireplace, and all they need is a mattress on the floor and each other. That’s all they need—and how does that then evolve into the beauty and the wealth that we see later?
Cubillan Personally Tested All the Coffins in The Vampire Lestat and Has Some Questions About the Cuntessa’s Cuddle Etiquette
SM: I could pick your brain all day but I’ll end on a fun question (maybe morbid, but hopefully fun). If you yourself were a vampire and you had to design your own coffin, what kind of details would you want for yourself?
AC: Oh man, that is a really tough question.
In terms of the morbid thing, I didn’t necessarily find it morbid. I tried all of the coffins that we made. I tried Lestat’s golden coffin; I tried the period coffins you’ll see later. I think there’s something so cocoon-like about them. I kept making this argument about why we see Louis and Armand in season two in the bed. I understand why, due to the lore or back in the day, they’d want to sleep in a coffin, but nowadays, [get] electric shutters and you can sleep in the comfort that you want. But there’s something incredibly safe and quiet about these spaces that I think is regenerative. I sort of grew to understand why Lesat would want to maintain this element of his past, and that’s something that cannot be let go of. It’s sort of a safe space.
As for myself, I wouldn’t go as far as Lestat. It would have to be something a little [Ludwig] Mies van der Rohe, maybe a little Frank Lloyd Wright—in terms of the Mies van der Rohe simplicity of materials, but then the craftsmanship of Frank Lloyd Wright. I think having something that’s really detailed in the wood, in the carving, but can be incredibly modern and simplistic, that would be my ideal. However, it needs to be big. It needs to be a jumbo coffin. I kept thinking to myself, why would he have such a tiny coffin that he can’t bring anyone into? [Laughs] It needs to be at least made for two.
SM: Well, we know that Lestat is fine with an elevator or wherever for that activity, so maybe the coffin is purely for sleep.
AC: Exactly. There’s a scene in season one where Claudia notices that Louis gets up out of his coffin and gets into Lestat’s coffin, and I was like, oh my god, how are they both fitting in there? Like, how? [Laughs] Even if it’s just cuddling, that feels so tight and uncomfortable! So I would want at least a full, if not a double coffin.

Lestat De Lioncourt’s Portrait – Anne Rice’s The Vampire Lestat – Photo Credit: Photo Credit: Sophie Giraud/AMC
Lestat Might Be a Butterscotch Bitch, But Designing for Him Was an “Absolute Joy”
SM: Great answer, very practical! Thank you so much for speaking with us—we’re big fans of the series and it’s such a thrill to talk about the craftsmanship that went into it.
AC: I want to mention one thing… This show has sort of spoiled me for future shows, simply because of, not just the trust coming from our showrunners and our producers, but because of the collaborative element that I had with both of our cinematographers, every director. Everyone cared so much about the story. Nothing was flippant… There was nothing that felt thrown away. Everything had to be completely meaningful.
Lex and I worked incredibly well together, and [makeup department head] Tami Lane, that evil genius that she is, because everyone had a different piece of Lestat that they kept putting together. As the newcomer to the team, all of a sudden, it just made that character so much more whole, and it made him an absolute joy to design for.
SM: I really do feel that the newcomer perspective aids this season, because we are seeing this reframed version of Lestat. He can’t be the same as we’ve seen, and he’s so special here… But then, I’m a Lestat apologist.
AC: I was always more of a fan of Lestat than I was of Louis and Armand. It seemed so much more fun to be him. And in this, Sam just goes right for the jugular. He bares his soul—and not just his soul, but Lestat’s soul. It was absolutely magnificent to see him on set and not just own every room that he walked into, but emote the hell out of every single line, every single song lyric, every note. He was absolutely heartbreaking in the best way, and I was so happy to be a part of it.
New episodes of The Vampire Lestat drop Sundays on AMC and AMC+.
Interviews
Brittney Greer Discusses the Slasher Inspirations Behind ‘Happy Halloween’
Viewers will sometimes dismiss indie, lower-budget movies, especially slashers, as copies of a copy. However, this was not my reaction to Brittney Greer’s Halloween-themed teen slasher movie Happy Halloween. The film had won Best Feature Film at the Berryville Film Festival and was obviously made with a lot of heart and passion for horror. I was excited to speak with the writer/director to share what I took away from her movie.
Happy Halloween is a thoughtful love letter to the slasher subgenre. This was evident from numerous horror easter eggs, including closing credits in the same style as Scream, bloody messages spilled from the same vein as Urban Legend, and a festive jack-o-lantern-filled set piece tipping its hat to Trick ‘r Treat.
When I asked Greer if slashers were her entry point into the genre, she confirmed this was the case. Her love of color came from her dad showing her Killer Klowns from Outer Space at the age of five or six, but the respect and intrigue came from her mother introducing her to Scream.
“My mom showed me Scream [in 1996]. We rented it on VHS right when it came out and I just remember [there was] something about that mask and they were talking about horror films that I heard my dad talking about, my brother talking about, [and] my mom [talking about]… the stuff that you talk about after watching a scary movie…it was something that was just super impactful.”
How Brittney Greer Gave Happy Halloween Its Own Voice
While classic slashers and 90s teen horror movies are in the DNA of Happy Halloween, it does not at all feel like a fan made recreation of any one of them. It is a melting pot, respectfully borrowing from the slasher canon. Besides the aforementioned easter eggs, the editing style (compliments to editor and DP David M. Watson) and score will feel familiar to horror fans, in a good way. She explained part of the reason she wanted to make this movie was that “[she] wanted more Halloween movies.” I asked her what the challenges were to adding her own voice to an already packed slasher subgenre.
“There’s only seven stories out there. And it’s what you’re bringing to it [that’s] going to make it different…You’re not going to have anybody create new stories, [but] new things added into it…The heart of it is all going to kind of feel the same. And I think with a lot of horror films, especially slashers, I feel like you have to have some [stereotypical] characters in there because you have a very short period of time to allow your audiences to know who you’re dealing with and who you’re talking to. And with me, with slasher films, I think it’s helpful because there’s been so many fantastic slasher films, that you can [approach it with] who’s going to be my Tatum type character who has so much heart.”

(Kagan, final girl Hadley, Payton, Adam [left to right])
Creating Authentic Teen Characters in an Indie Slasher
Independently produced movies come with certain expectations, such as not being familiar with the cast. However, Greer successfully cast a group of youngsters that authentically come off as good high school friends. The dynamic between two main couples, Kagan, who’s dating final girl Hadley, and the final girl’s BFF Payton with Adam, didn’t take much screen time to understand they are close friends who rely on each other.
Reimagining the Final Girl Through Hadley’s Trauma
The new element I was excited to see in Happy Halloween was the final girl Hadley (Emma Reinagel), who had already been through her own horror movie, and we are now getting caught up with her. I have honestly always wanted to see this in a non-sequel slasher. Proving further that Greer is tapped into the slasher fan’s psyche.
“First off, thank you for saying that. That was definitely the intention behind it. It’s just one of those things, again, being a horror movie fan… you see these people and these horrific things happen to them, and you get sequels, and that’s honestly where it came from. [In] sequels, there are no scars. You’d have mental scars. You’d probably be on medications….I’m not a huge fan of the Rob Zombie Halloween movies, but in the sequel, we see Laurie who is scarred up, and she is very broken…I’ve always wondered why we do not see these people with scars… Or why are they not in therapy? [It was something] I wanted to see with Happy Halloween. So when I was writing it, I was thinking, what gets this girl back into this town? What can we do that gets her back here? What could have happened to her?… [Her] character that comes back [is] very much not who these people remember [and] she’s coming back into the mix [with] this friend group.”
Where to Watch Happy Halloween and Hear the Full Brittney Greer Interview
I had a ball picking out the horror homages and getting to nerd out with Brittney. You can find Happy Halloween (2024) on VOD anywhere you digitally rent your horror movies. You can also check out my full interview with Brittney Greer on my podcast Autopsy of a Horror Movie anywhere you find podcasts.




