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[INTERVIEW] Talking ‘Blackout’ With Larry Fessenden and Alex Hurt 

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I’ve done a lot of interviews in my time. All of them have been virtual. Every interview I’ve had has been fun, insightful, and has helped me grow as a writer. I must have pleased Mothman, Frogman, or some being of kindness because I was offered the opportunity to speak with Larry Fessenden and Alex Hurt IN PERSON. If you know me, then you know Larry Fessenden is my filmmaking idol. Few artists have captured the malicious beauty of New York the way he has, and his films always pack a societal gut punch. In this interview we touch on Larry’s catalog of films, the Fessenden Extended Universe, how Alex prepped for this demanding role, and SO much more! 

An Interview with Larry Fessenden

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Brendan Jesus: To get started, I’m sorry I’m reading these out of a notebook right in front of you.

Larry Fessenden: It’s quite all right, but you should have memorized them. What kind of operation is this! 

BJ: I think it’s fair to label you as a protest filmmaker. No Telling (The Frankenstein Complex) examines big pharma, animal testing, and the environment. The Last Winter is a climate change piece, which you mentioned a few minutes ago when we were talking. For Blackout, you touch on a few topics like race relations, especially in a small town, and the effects/downsides of capitalism. How do you pick the ideas and social issues you want to comment on?

Larry Fessenden: I appreciate you framing my work this way, I’m pleased to be called a protest filmmaker. Cinema can engage people in bigger issues and in the end, the artist is putting out an aesthetic agenda but also I feel there’s an urgency to address social issues. Obviously, Shakespeare and Aristotle were doing this, it’s not something I came up with. It’s a tradition I want to carry on. I grew up in the ’60s when Goddard and other filmmakers were putting out work with social elements. Also, endings weren’t always happy, you know there was this sense of challenging you to think about what was going on in the world. And there are the bigger issues of morality and so on, which hopefully span the spectrum of all art; Dostoyevsky and so on. Not to compare myself to them. Pop culture has shifted–to answer your question, when I say, “I’ve always wanted to put a werewolf on film,” then I think about the personality of the monster. What is its mythology? What about the characteristics of the monster? And that suggests the themes. For example, Depraved was a Frankenstein story that took place during the Iraq war. I read stories about doctors who went over there and realized they could bring the mobile hospital into the field. I thought, think of the ingenuity and passion of these doctors to save these lives…and what if you came back and realized you were in a fake war? This was certainly a problem with Iraq. The character may be a broken man with PTSD, and what if you make that character a genius? That was how I approached this Frankenstein story in a modern context. With Blackout, I was thinking about a werewolf. What is that? A divided personality. Then I’m like well our whole nation is divided right now, so you can see how one comes from the other. I don’t say I’m going to set out and fix the world with this one movie; it’s about the greater implications of the story I’m telling. 

BJ: You kind of answered this, but was there a specific thing that made you pick a werewolf? 

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Larry Fessenden: Yeah, because werewolves are cool! I’ve made a vampire movie that was about addiction to sex and substances, it’s an AIDS metaphor. It’s all these things. The point is that’s what was bubbling out during those times. Hopefully, the movies have a longer shelf life than what’s upsetting at this moment. Our culture goes in waves of concern. So, I’ve made a vampire movie, I’ve made a Frankenstein movie, I wanted to make a werewolf film. In a way, the times were speaking to me. I’ve wanted to make this film for about 10 years. Most of these movies, in a way, came from my childhood, but they certainly are something you start figuring out, and it takes some time to gel. Meeting Alex [Hurt], who has the personality, depths, and quirks to be my werewolf–and the same with my Frankenstein movie, I asked…ahh who was that?

Alex Hurt: Adam Driver!

Larry Fessenden: Adam Driver, I asked him to be my Frankenstein. That was when it was going to be a bigger movie. There was some conversation, but that slightly derailed and I said well the tradition of Frankenstein is the monster is an unknown, kind of like how Karloff was at the time. I decided to hold auditions because it actually makes me feel like I’m doing something. I held auditions and oh my god, this guy named Alex Breaux shows up. I should say I saw a picture of him in a play right down the road, he was in a red Speedo and was ripped. He almost looked like a corpse. I said to my casting guys, can you have Alex read? He’s obviously a stage actor and hopefully humble enough to do this. I read his profile and there was something else interesting in terms of his background–-long story short he came to audition and I had my monster. These are supposed to be psychologically sound, personal, character-driven monster movies. I met Alex Hurt during my son’s shoot, and we bonded over many things. Alcoholism. Parental backgrounds. Father figures. And a love of monsters. 

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BJ: You’re two steps ahead of me, you kind of answered my first question for Alex–

Larry Fessenden: –that’s fine I will speak for him! So, another thing! When I was a little boy…

Alex Hurt: I give him full rights to speak for me. 

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BJ: Alex. You’ve worked with Jack [Fessenden] and now you’ve worked with his father!

Larry Fessenden: Who’s smarter?

(The three of us have a good laugh)

BJ: Was it intimidating to come onto a project for someone who singlehandedly ran the New York independent film scene of the ‘90s and aughts? 

Alex Hurt: It might have been.

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(Larry laughs)

Alex Hurt: Larry’s just such a goofball, so it’s not really intimidating. Last night during the Q&A, one of the questions asked was what our response was to getting the call for Blackout. And why we decided to do it. Motell Foster, who plays Earl, said one of the reasons he was so excited was due to Larry’s almost childlike energy when it comes to the work. Larry called me up, I was shopping for clothes with my kids about two years before filming. I was daunted by many things, but working with him, and with him on set for Jack’s film, I knew what I was getting into. My expectations were set, and I knew there was a lot of love and dedication on his sets. I wondered how I could match Larry’s performance in Habit and how I could take those steps towards doing that. At the end of the day, the thing he did was fully become Sam. So that’s what I tried to do. Become Charley. 

(Rigo Garay enters to mic up Alex for some Blackout bonus feature content, hilarity ensues)

BJ: What was your initial reaction when you read Blackout? Charley is a fairly demanding role, and you delivered an excellent performance. Did you have any specific process for bringing Charley to life?

Alex Hurt: My initial reaction to the script, well I was reading it in a casita and my initial reaction was fascination. I was hooked on the ideas of environmental change, addiction, and grief. I thought this was one of the best things I’ve read. I get this guy. The process we went through to get it on camera was a long one. Larry sent me five volumes of books on moon cycles–

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(Larry laughs contagiously, making me laugh)

Alex Hurt: –Wolf studies; I watched any documentary I could get my hands on, and I watched every Lon Chaney movie multiple times. I got asked last night if I had seen Altered States, which is a film my dad did. I was able to work with scene partners and work through emotions and characters with them. I also watched all of Larry’s films again. The one I connected with the most is Habit. All of them have a special place in my heart, but Habit and the vulnerability he brings to it between his filmmaking and acting, that was the thing I wanted to bring to Blackout. How can I personalize this? At some point during reading, I did what all actors do and read it over and over and over again. Then I realized these synchronicities between the story of Charley and Hamlet. I figured Hammond was a Claudius and Charley was this man stuck in this immature phase of life, his development hasn’t quite finished yet, and he hasn’t quite figured out who he is or what his place is in the world. All these actions he’s taking aren’t leading to an effective end when it comes to this villain who is destroying his home. The town. What is a town? It’s a community. A society. And that society is breaking apart. There are references, like the sheriff Luis (Joseph Castillo-Midyett) who says, “There’s something rotten in this town.” We drive on Wittenburg road, which was Hamlet’s university. When I said this to Larry he said, “Ahh, I didn’t even realize this!” But you see the point, right?

Larry Fessenden: What was the line you didn’t put in? 

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Alex Hurt: The readiness is all.

Larry Fessenden: See, that’s the thing about real actors. They care about the classic texts. 

Alex Hurt: Every day I was running seven to 10 miles a day. I would be on these runs next to these rivers and I thought I should jump into one of these fucking rivers. We decided to do that, and that was the moment he decided to clean himself fully. It’s a baptism of readiness. Ready to end this evil. So, that was a lot of my process. We had a choreographer for the wolf, too. We had these long conversations about this. Larry would send me videos and be like I think it’s more Fosse, what’s the Fossiness of it? Also, my studies into all the monsters, started when I was young. I mean, my godfather was a nut for monster films and character actors. He raised me on these films. Boris Karloff’s performance as The Monster is one of my favorite performances of all time. All of that led up to the two-year prep for Blackout.

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Larry Fessenden: His coach to lose the weight was Alex Breaux. They met on Jack’s film. 

Alex Hurt: Well, we’re both theater geeks. He’s a Julliard guy, I’m an NYU guy. We used to sort of fear and resent each other. We’d get callbacks and be like, fuck the other Alex is going to get this. When we met on Jack’s set, the first thing we said was basically about how we hated each other for a long time. Within 30 seconds of meeting each other, we became–

Larry Fessenden: –besties!

Alex Hurt: And during the pandemic, we became really close. We were helping each other with self-tapes. At one point he was in Santa Fe filming something, and then he became interwoven with my family and children. He’s one of my top three best friends in my life. When we were getting into filming Blackout I asked him for help. I thought I was going to get buffed up for this role, you know I take my shirt off and I’m ripped. Then Larry and I discussed this, and how we wanted the character to be able to move more. 

BJ: Since we brought Alex Breaux up, I want to jump ahead in my questions. Now this is a bit spoilery, but that post-credit scene. At what point does this scene take place within the story of Blackout? And does the post-credit scene imply a Fessenden Extended Universe? 

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Larry Fessenden: I like that you asked that. It never occurred to me that it was a flashback. The whole movie plays with questions like do silver bullets kill this guy? Did his girlfriend kill him? He’s lying in the woods and detransitions and has these sad thoughts. The way I see it is literal. No, he didn’t die. In my universe, all of the rules we know don’t apply. It’s the idea that the rules of society don’t work, it’s the belief in them that work. That goes all the way to our current problem of democracy. If you don’t want to play with democracy, then it’s just a fantasy. My movies are about breaking down and reminding people this is just a social contract. In my films, vampires appear in the daylight, and I question whether silver bullets work. All I’m getting at is he’s still alive. Was he ever a werewolf? I mean, I’m not trying to be vague, but I want the audience to realize there are no rules. Life is slippery. I see it as Charley is still alive. If you’ve seen Depraved you know the monster has had it with humanity and is walking away, he’s heading upstate. We did that final shot many times. He turns and freeze frames and Charley intuits this realization that this is a fellow outsider and maybe we can work together. This is the beginning of my monsterverse, and to answer your question I do intend to make a mashup. It’s the final comment on these movies I love. This interview is gratifying because one of my secret weapons is that Alex and Alex are good friends and I think I can get them on set one more time. Even just for two weeks. The roles are going to be different, they won’t be the centerpieces. One of my schemes was that I laid out these character’s backstories, but now I want to show them from the outside. And they’re fucking scary and bitter. 

Then, they’ll fight and do all the things you’ll do in a monster movie.

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BJ: [To Alex] How do you feel about that?

Alex Hurt: I signed up for it–

Larry Fessenden: –I’ve been teasing that since we started shooting. I told people if you live through the movie then you’re going to be in the sequel. 

BJ: Could you guys talk a bit about the prosthetics creation and application? Alex, was this your first time in this much SFX makeup? And Larry, how did you go about creating the look of the werewolf? 

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Larry Fessenden: There’s a lot of talk about Lon Chaney Jr., but as a child, I loved a comic called Werewolf by Night drawn by Mike Ploog. There’s beautiful articulation and there’s that Fosse element. Mike Ploog had these amazing freeze frames, Issue One is one of the most iconic things of my childhood. He’s articulated like a superhero. And that’s what I wanted to portray in Blackout. I worked with Brian Spears and Pete Gerner to get that vibe. Ironically, we were thinking we’d have a furry suit, but then we realized his physique was much more interesting to look at. It’s more sexy and fun. It also reminds the audience that Charley is someone who is suffering. Yes, maybe he’s a werewolf, but I wanted a thin line between whether this was a fantasy or someone who was suffering.

Alex Hurt: I’ve sat for some prosthetic castings before. I’ve done scar and wound prosthetics, but never like this. Brian and Pete are the pros, and they’re some of the kindest and funnest dudes to hang out with for six hours. They’re perfecting something. Obviously, the beginning touches of that was a latex mask that would go over my face, but then there was the detail and the coloring. It was absolutely outstanding. There were a few sets of teeth for different transformations, and at the end, you see the fur mohawk going down his spine. So many great and minor details. 

Larry Fessenden: The funny thing is in the movie, because there wasn’t much money and I’m patient, half the movie is a makeup test. Like I had to black out some of the background. One of the coolest werewolves was one of the first days of shooting. I told Spears it was a makeup test when we shot with the young couple, but that’s still not Charley’s final makeup. I’m influenced by Coppola’s Dracula, where the monster is depicted differently each time. I’m kind of obsessed with it. It keeps the monster in the psychological realm. It’s like, I’m having a bad day, so today I have hair on my nose. I do it with Deranged, too. I’m interested in that so the audience is kept on their toes. The first monster we see on the road, which is depicted as a memory from Miguel (Rigo Garay), is some of the best imagery in the movie. And it was a makeup test. We tried to make it according to the moon calendar so that the first scene was filmed during a full moon. 

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A huge thanks goes out to Larry and Alex for talking, and Stacey for setting up this wonderful day. Blackout releases nationwide on VOD on April 12! You don’t want to miss this one. 

Awooooooooooooo!

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Brendan is an award-winning author and screenwriter rotting away in New Jersey. His hobbies include rain, slugs, and the endless search for The Mothman.

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[INTERVIEW] Inside the Glitter-Streaked World of ‘The Vampire Lestat’ with Production Designer Andres Cubillan

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Lestat, Lestat, Lestat. That’s been the name on my lips ever since the first teasers for AMC’s The Vampire Lestat dropped last year. This new iteration of the show formerly known as Interview with the Vampire centers on the eponymous Brat Prince himself, Lestat de Lioncart (Sam Reid), as he embarks on a cross-country tour of contemporary America with his self-titled band, his antics immortalized on film by snarky baby bloodsucker Daniel Molloy (Eric Bogosian), the ghosts of his past hot on his heels.

But if you’re reading this, you already know all that. You’re here for the juicy details, and who better to dish them than the man who crafts Lestat’s most intimate spaces, production designer Andres Cubillan? A newcomer to the world that Anne Rice created and showrunner Rolin Jones breathed new life into, Cubillan helped ensure that The Vampire Lestat feels like an entirely different beast to the seasons that came before it, without losing sight of the series’ immortal soul—or Lestat’s divine bitchiness.

Around the midway point of the season, I caught up with Cubillan to discuss the big questions in life, like “doesn’t that shower make the bus damp?” and “how do you cuddle in a coffin made for one?” Here’s what he had to say about designing for the wolf killer extraordinaire’s most chaotic and iconic era yet.

The Vampire Lestat Turns up the Dial on the World We’ve Seen So Far (And Yes, It Goes to Eleven)

Samantha McLaren: The shift to Lestat’s perspective this season really turns expectations on their head. As production designer, how much freedom did you have to overhaul the look and feel of the show—and were you nervous at all about changing things that fans had come to expect?

Andres Cubillan: Yes, absolutely. When I was meeting for it, Rolin said from the get-go that he wanted this to look like a completely different show. He said “this is basically like we are rebooting our own show,” so he knew it had to be a total tonal shift, a total visual shift.

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For me, my nerves came from the high quality of the work before. I’m a good friend of Mara LePere-Schloop [production designer on the first two seasons]. I trained under her, I admire her immensely, so it was more about how to do the beautiful work justice. And I’ve said this before, but I wanted to be able to crank up the dial on what Lestat would be now, present day—his point of view and his emotional state. I took liberties where liberties were given, and I just knew that it needed to be incredibly well researched, and there needed to be so much thought behind everything—not just because our writers are so passionate about the original literature, the scripture, but also the fans. Our fans know every word that Anne Rice has written front and back. We couldn’t just be flippant about any decision. We needed to do something spectacular for her, and for the character.

SM: One thing I love about vampire media is the inherent tension between the allure and glamour of vampirism, and the decay and death that’s an inherent part of it. Is that tension something that you wanted to play with this season?

AC: I try to actually go away from the traditional vampire tropes. In early discussions with Rolin, we said let’s be very particular as to where we use red—where black is even used… We wanted Lestat to feel unique in the vampire genre, as opposed to cliché in any way.

In terms of the allure, he’s so insanely alluring in and of himself that it’s going to come naturally, so for me, it was a matter of trying to fill in the blanks in the script—what can I say in the design that’s going to give context to him and his actions in that particular moment? It sort of naturally becomes alluring and sexy and dramatic, but I don’t think it was a conscious thing.

Lestat’s Tour Bus Showcases the Personalities of Its Occupants—And the Collaboration Between the Crew

SM: It comes through in interesting ways, like his tour bus. You have the dichotomy of that glamorous, sleek upper deck and the dingy, disgusting lower deck. When you were designing the bus, how much did you research real tour buses, and how much of it came from lurid imaginings?

AC: A lot of research. There was something so easy in grounding a rock star like Lestat in more of a retro vibe—Bowie, Jagger, Iggy Pop—but I wanted to try to blend it in with more of a contemporary musician. So, I looked a lot at contemporary tour buses, but they’re not very exciting. It’s a lot of formica and cramped spaces, and it didn’t feel personalized enough.

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Then it became more of a departure after doing that research, to go back to these artists from the 70s, 80s, and 90s that actually did personalize their buses that way. Led Zeppelin, for example, they had a 747—I think it was called The Starship—it had a completely decked-out lounge with a piano and a fireplace and shag carpeting. Whether they knew it at the time or not, it felt iconic. It was one of those places that everyone wanted to go and be with them. So, how to translate that to Lestat? I wanted the dichotomy, as you said, of this flippant reaction to not caring how the rest of the band or everyone else was faring down below: he was going to make his space the inviting, seductive lounge that he wanted it to be. Rolin kept using the word “bespoke,” and I think we wanted it to appear like nothing we had seen before.

The downstairs became so fun because we could just throw anything out there and it would feel in place—formica walls and leopard-print rugs. I had seen this one picture of Taylor Swift’s tour bus. It was a regular tour bus, except she brought in her own couch; she liked the comfort of that couch. So we brought in this custom-upholstered, crushed metallic velour couch, and then it broke everyone’s heart when we aged it down with cigarette burns and miscellaneous stains, but it needed to feel crunchy. It was fitting, but it needed to feel appropriate.

And the evolution of that set—how to individualize each of the spaces for each of the band members without actually saying “this is my space.” We tried to do, in our heads, backstory rituals for the characters. I liked the idea of Salamander taking his gum out of his mouth as soon as he got in the bus and just sticking it on the wall, or sticking it on the ceiling, so that became the Fisherman’s Wharf section, just wrapped in chewed gum. And the fact that TC would hang a garland of socks across her bunk bed. There were a series of little customizations to each of them to give a little more of their personality within a greater space.

And then Lestat’s upstairs space—I really struggled with that one. The downstairs? Easy. Upstairs? So difficult, because the combination of glam, luxury, rock and roll, but also classic and elegant—there were all of these clashing styles that needed to come together in that space. We kept changing themes back and forth, and I worked a lot with Lex Wood, our costume designer, because every time I would pick an upholstery fabric and I’d be like “I have it, this is it! It’s so unusual—it’s phenomenally Lestat.” And then she would bring out his costume and be like “he’s going to disappear into the sofa—that’s exactly what he’s wearing in this scene.” Okay, back to the drawing board! Here we go again.

But I think, ultimately, it made it better to go through all of those drafts and those versions, having input from all of these people… I had this idea for a shower that would open and it would be Botticelli’s [Venus] painting but Lestat is the one on the shell, so it was like “check me out, I’m phenomenal and amazing.” And as things started breaking down in terms of space, one of my concept artists said, “What if the chandelier is a shower?” I was like, oh my god, that’s brilliant—that’s so unusual. Having the collaboration from all these different people to come in and bring their ideas made it more special.

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Lestat Is Not Afraid of Standing Out—And That Iconic Shower Creates New Avenues for Exhibitionism

SM: Love that shower. It feels almost ethereal—like, it shouldn’t exist in the middle of this bus, on the top deck no less, but it works because everything around Lestat feels a little bit magical. He’s an ethereal being moving through this space.

AC: There were two things that I loved about that. One was, we made the windows on either side of the shower taller. Rolin and I had this idea that we were never able to actually shoot: we wanted this shot of the bus next to a minivan at a stoplight, and just this family gawking up at Lestat, buck naked, showering, because he doesn’t care—it’s a “feast your eyes” sort of thing.

And then, as I’ve been posting online and adding photos of the set so that the fans can see a little bit more, there was someone who—not in a critical way—said “but the shower next to the upholstery, is that going to get mildewy?” Which is brilliant, but I don’t think Lestat would care. He’d just say, “Reupholster them. Change them out.”

I don’t think you’re able to see it, but before the blood shower comes down, from the start, the banquettes are blood-stained along the bottom… It’s just giving a little hint of what’s to come, of what the potential of the space was.

SM: You mentioned working with Lex Wood and the collaboration there. I’m curious, how much did you want the costumes and the design to work harmoniously together, or did you want any clash there because Lestat is such a chaotic and loud character?

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AC: I always say that with production design, if you’re noticing it, I’m not doing it well. I think it should feel very natural, and it should never take away from the character or the story. With something like this, it’s context and it should be flashy to a degree, but from the start, the rule that Rolin, Hannah [Moscovitch, executive producer/writer], Lex, and I came to was always make Lestat pop from everything.

Lex and I did have conversations on the side about moments where we thought his character wouldn’t necessarily want to stand out, or wouldn’t be ready to stand out—if there was any hesitation on his part. We were able to pick and choose those moments. I’ve never had such a collaborative experience with a costume designer before. Lex knew Lestat and knew Sam in a way that I didn’t, so for her to bring in her reasoning as to why she was bringing in those colors or those patterns—sometimes it altered the design, because I was like well, this is the right thing to do; he really should stand out, or he really should blend in.

But the tension was always, always keep your eye on Lestat. Any time he walks into a room, the eye should always go to him. That was the bible rule we all needed to follow.

Lestat’s Apartment in Montreal Balances Culture and Comfort (With a Touch of Louis)

SM: I want to talk a little about Lestat’s home in Montreal that we see in the first episode. After two seasons of seeing him in the past, it’s almost jarring to see him in this cozy, modern space wearing a comfy sweater. But the closer you look, the more you realize it’s him, just contemporized. What was your starting point for that space—what were the details you knew you needed for it to feel Lestat, and were there some surprising little twists you wanted to pull in for this modern version of him?

AC: I started with Mara’s work in season one. The space that she had designed for him was so lush and detailed; the color was incredibly rich. The conversation that I had with Rolin when I was pitching his space was that it always felt like, in the past, he is hiding his true self; he is assimilating into the time, into the culture, into the style and fashions. Now that he doesn’t have that hang-up anymore—even less after he becomes a musician, but even when we see him before the book comes out—he is finally able to be himself in a way that isn’t hiding away from the public eye. To me, then, Lestat is someone who lives incredibly boldly. I didn’t want to shy away from very bold and obnoxious choices. So I took Mara’s work and I just pumped up the volume and threw some nuclear waste on it, just to see what would happen, what would that reaction be?

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I started with the music room. That was basically the one place that I really wanted to use red, and I made the room completely monochromatic. The walls and the ceiling are gloss red; the carpet is an ochre red. Even the drapes are red with zebras on it. I wanted it to feel warm and like a space of creation, so when my decorator, Summer Gaal, and I started going around what his house would be, we started with the music room. We thought that would be the beginning of all his ideas and creation. We knew it needed to be something that a very cultured person would have. He’s been around for a very long time—not that old vampires are automatically cultured and elegant, but more that he does come from an aristocratic background. He has lived a life of wealth and fame for 200+ years. So, I wanted it to be able to say, “I don’t need to own the most expensive painting. I want a painting that I react to.” And what are the variety of items that he’s reacting to across the centuries that he has lived and across all the different cultures and places that he has known?

My decorator found this gorgeous, kind of collapsing oversized purple couch, and that didn’t fit at all. It wasn’t elegant. It wasn’t anything special. (It actually was—my decorator told me afterward that it’s apparently some very famous sofa that I had no idea about!) But it felt like a place where he could crawl up with his boots on and just strum his guitar to just give him the cocoon, that sort of comfort that he’s always, I think, been looking for.

And from there, the living room: what is that contrast, what is the place of seduction? Very early on in one of the scripts, Lestat was in a book club and they were reading the book with select characters, and I thought, how ridiculous is this that this character is having a book club to complain about his ex-boyfriend’s book? So what does that space look like? It’s the contrast to the music room: it just needs to be hard and soft, warm and cold, little nods to the theater life with the pulled drapery with the view to the street.

Obviously the painting… The Lovers [René Magritte, 1928] with the veiled, covered faces. That was something that one of my graphic designers brought to me and she said “you know, I think we can get this painting,” and all of a sudden, it just completely clicked. It’s the veil; it’s the fact that we don’t know who that person is. It just made sense to have that particular painting in place. And we found this one Canadian artist who did a painting that is a bit multimedia, and he’s basically pulling his chest apart… Everything started having all this symbolism to it, where it’s him bearing his soul; it’s the veil; it’s the sexual coffee table that he can put his feet on. All of these things started coming together, and honestly, it was not easy. I was freaking out about colors for the longest time.

Also, in my career, I’ve been very fortunate to have multicultural characters in my stories, in my sets. And this couldn’t be a space that was only going to be for Lestat. I think he would have made it, to a degree, for Louis [Jacob Anderson] as well. So, how does Louis’ persona fit in here? Is this a space that would welcome him? What does his skin tone look like against these colors? All of those little things need to be kept in mind to make the place complete.

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Lestat’s Complicated History Is Woven Into Every Set That Cubillan and His Team Crafted This Season

SM: I know there were a few details this season that you really fought for. You’ve mentioned online that for Lestat’s childhood bedroom, you were adamant about needing the (more expensive) tiled flooring to represent how his family looks down on him like a servant. Were there other elements like that that maybe didn’t make sense to people when you first described them, but you knew they were Lestat?

AC: Yes and no. Rolin gives us an incredible amount of trust, and from the start, he has said “we hire the people that we know are going to tell the story the way that we want.” Some of the details I needed to press for because they felt so incredibly appropriate; others, I got no pushback on. Even when things were getting hectic and the budgets were coming in, Rolin kept saying “Just keep going. You’re designing for Lestat. You’re designing for this character. Keep doing you.” That was incredibly comforting—not that I’m doubting my choices, but more about being the newcomer to this family of people that have lived and breathed these characters for so long. I wanted to do it justice. I wanted to be able to bring a part of myself and what I envision for this character.

In that room [the childhood bedroom], for example, I had a perfect color story for the rafters that we never see. It was all these same dusty colors that I had picked for the chateau; they were the same colors for his modern world. Some of these things you’re going to see, others you’re not. I don’t think that the audience is necessarily going to make that connection, but for me, I felt it was important to have it so I could justify in my head the evolution of the character.

In his room, I’ve mentioned that it’s the period version of the quintessential little boy’s room, but how does that clash with pale pink painted ceilings? It should never look easy. It should never look straightforward. There needed to be a push and pull between two things constantly.

In the Paris apartment, which you get a glimpse of in episode three, we were trying to think of what kind of a place do Lestat and Nicki [Joseph Potter] share in this blissful beginning of their relationship, and how does that space then evolve when Lestat becomes a vampire and has this access to wealth? We wanted it to feel incredibly romantic… Our backstory was that they are squatting in a former aristocrat’s house. They’re in one of these gorgeous apartments in Paris; the owners have been taken to the guillotine, and now this gorgeous architecture exists for two lovers to share in front of the fireplace, and all they need is a mattress on the floor and each other. That’s all they need—and how does that then evolve into the beauty and the wealth that we see later?

Cubillan Personally Tested All the Coffins in The Vampire Lestat and Has Some Questions About the Cuntessa’s Cuddle Etiquette

SM: I could pick your brain all day but I’ll end on a fun question (maybe morbid, but hopefully fun). If you yourself were a vampire and you had to design your own coffin, what kind of details would you want for yourself?

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AC: Oh man, that is a really tough question.

In terms of the morbid thing, I didn’t necessarily find it morbid. I tried all of the coffins that we made. I tried Lestat’s golden coffin; I tried the period coffins you’ll see later. I think there’s something so cocoon-like about them. I kept making this argument about why we see Louis and Armand in season two in the bed. I understand why, due to the lore or back in the day, they’d want to sleep in a coffin, but nowadays, [get] electric shutters and you can sleep in the comfort that you want. But there’s something incredibly safe and quiet about these spaces that I think is regenerative. I sort of grew to understand why Lesat would want to maintain this element of his past, and that’s something that cannot be let go of. It’s sort of a safe space.

As for myself, I wouldn’t go as far as Lestat. It would have to be something a little [Ludwig] Mies van der Rohe, maybe a little Frank Lloyd Wright—in terms of the Mies van der Rohe simplicity of materials, but then the craftsmanship of Frank Lloyd Wright. I think having something that’s really detailed in the wood, in the carving, but can be incredibly modern and simplistic, that would be my ideal. However, it needs to be big. It needs to be a jumbo coffin. I kept thinking to myself, why would he have such a tiny coffin that he can’t bring anyone into? [Laughs] It needs to be at least made for two.

SM: Well, we know that Lestat is fine with an elevator or wherever for that activity, so maybe the coffin is purely for sleep.

AC: Exactly. There’s a scene in season one where Claudia notices that Louis gets up out of his coffin and gets into Lestat’s coffin, and I was like, oh my god, how are they both fitting in there? Like, how? [Laughs] Even if it’s just cuddling, that feels so tight and uncomfortable! So I would want at least a full, if not a double coffin.

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Lestat De Lioncourt’s Portrait – Anne Rice’s The Vampire Lestat – Photo Credit: Photo Credit: Sophie Giraud/AMC

Lestat Might Be a Butterscotch Bitch, But Designing for Him Was an “Absolute Joy”

SM: Great answer, very practical! Thank you so much for speaking with us—we’re big fans of the series and it’s such a thrill to talk about the craftsmanship that went into it.

AC: I want to mention one thing… This show has sort of spoiled me for future shows, simply because of, not just the trust coming from our showrunners and our producers, but because of the collaborative element that I had with both of our cinematographers, every director. Everyone cared so much about the story. Nothing was flippant… There was nothing that felt thrown away. Everything had to be completely meaningful.

Lex and I worked incredibly well together, and [makeup department head] Tami Lane, that evil genius that she is, because everyone had a different piece of Lestat that they kept putting together. As the newcomer to the team, all of a sudden, it just made that character so much more whole, and it made him an absolute joy to design for.

SM: I really do feel that the newcomer perspective aids this season, because we are seeing this reframed version of Lestat. He can’t be the same as we’ve seen, and he’s so special here… But then, I’m a Lestat apologist.

AC: I was always more of a fan of Lestat than I was of Louis and Armand. It seemed so much more fun to be him. And in this, Sam just goes right for the jugular. He bares his soul—and not just his soul, but Lestat’s soul. It was absolutely magnificent to see him on set and not just own every room that he walked into, but emote the hell out of every single line, every single song lyric, every note. He was absolutely heartbreaking in the best way, and I was so happy to be a part of it.

New episodes of The Vampire Lestat drop Sundays on AMC and AMC+.

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Brittney Greer Discusses the Slasher Inspirations Behind ‘Happy Halloween’

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Viewers will sometimes dismiss indie, lower-budget movies, especially slashers, as copies of a copy. However, this was not my reaction to Brittney Greer’s Halloween-themed teen slasher movie Happy Halloween. The film had won Best Feature Film at the Berryville Film Festival and was obviously made with a lot of heart and passion for horror. I was excited to speak with the writer/director to share what I took away from her movie.

Happy Halloween is a thoughtful love letter to the slasher subgenre. This was evident from numerous horror easter eggs, including closing credits in the same style as Scream, bloody messages spilled from the same vein as Urban Legend, and a festive jack-o-lantern-filled set piece tipping its hat to Trick ‘r Treat.

When I asked Greer if slashers were her entry point into the genre, she confirmed this was the case. Her love of color came from her dad showing her Killer Klowns from Outer Space at the age of five or six, but the respect and intrigue came from her mother introducing her to Scream.

“My mom showed me Scream [in 1996]. We rented it on VHS right when it came out and I just remember [there was] something about that mask and they were talking about horror films that I heard my dad talking about, my brother talking about, [and] my mom [talking about]… the stuff that you talk about after watching a scary movie…it was something that was just super impactful.”

How Brittney Greer Gave Happy Halloween Its Own Voice

While classic slashers and 90s teen horror movies are in the DNA of Happy Halloween, it does not at all feel like a fan made recreation of any one of them. It is a melting pot, respectfully borrowing from the slasher canon. Besides the aforementioned easter eggs, the editing style (compliments to editor and DP David M. Watson) and score will feel familiar to horror fans, in a good way. She explained part of the reason she wanted to make this movie was that “[she] wanted more Halloween movies.” I asked her what the challenges were to adding her own voice to an already packed slasher subgenre.

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“There’s only seven stories out there. And it’s what you’re bringing to it [that’s] going to make it different…You’re not going to have anybody create new stories, [but] new things added into it…The heart of it is all going to kind of feel the same. And I think with a lot of horror films, especially slashers, I feel like you have to have some [stereotypical] characters in there because you have a very short period of time to allow your audiences to know who you’re dealing with and who you’re talking to. And with me, with slasher films, I think it’s helpful because there’s been so many fantastic slasher films, that you can [approach it with] who’s going to be my Tatum type character who has so much heart.”

(Kagan, final girl Hadley, Payton, Adam [left to right])

Creating Authentic Teen Characters in an Indie Slasher

Independently produced movies come with certain expectations, such as not being familiar with the cast. However, Greer successfully cast a group of youngsters that authentically come off as good high school friends. The dynamic between two main couples, Kagan, who’s dating final girl Hadley, and the final girl’s BFF Payton with Adam, didn’t take much screen time to understand they are close friends who rely on each other.

Reimagining the Final Girl Through Hadley’s Trauma

The new element I was excited to see in Happy Halloween was the final girl Hadley (Emma Reinagel), who had already been through her own horror movie, and we are now getting caught up with her. I have honestly always wanted to see this in a non-sequel slasher. Proving further that Greer is tapped into the slasher fan’s psyche.

“First off, thank you for saying that. That was definitely the intention behind it. It’s just one of those things, again, being a horror movie fan… you see these people and these horrific things happen to them, and you get sequels, and that’s honestly where it came from. [In] sequels, there are no scars. You’d have mental scars. You’d probably be on medications….I’m not a huge fan of the Rob Zombie Halloween movies, but in the sequel, we see Laurie who is scarred up, and she is very broken…I’ve always wondered why we do not see these people with scars… Or why are they not in therapy? [It was something] I wanted to see with Happy Halloween. So when I was writing it, I was thinking, what gets this girl back into this town? What can we do that gets her back here? What could have happened to her?… [Her] character that comes back [is] very much not who these people remember [and] she’s coming back into the mix [with] this friend group.”

Where to Watch Happy Halloween and Hear the Full Brittney Greer Interview

I had a ball picking out the horror homages and getting to nerd out with Brittney. You can find Happy Halloween (2024) on VOD anywhere you digitally rent your horror movies. You can also check out my full interview with Brittney Greer on my podcast Autopsy of a Horror Movie anywhere you find podcasts.

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